I rarely agree with fellow blogger, molotov, but he nails it on the head here. Here is his quote:
"Sore losers. So much for the "party of the people" claim that Democrats make, while dissing the people's choice.
Democrats keep losing elections because they talk, but don't listen. The liberal wing insults folks's intelligence, denigrates faith and morality, believes the wallet is more important than values, and their elitist "we know what's better for you than you peons" ethic thoroughly irritates folks. People like me. I haven't voted for a Democrat for president since 1996, and cast my first ballot for a Republican president this year. The Democrats keep it up, and they won't get my vote in 2008 either because manic leftists now control the party."
He's right. The Dems long claim to the party of the people and yet when things don't go their way, they call the people stupid. Even now, the left is saying that Bush's win is not a mandate. Okay, but it is a majority. Remember, Clinton didn't have a mandate either, he had a plurality which is hardly much to talk about either.
If the Democrats and moderates want to win again, they have to stop treating the hard working Americans they claim to represent like idiots. Not every American who voted for the gay marriage ban is a bigot. Same goes for those who chose Bush over Kerry.
What Dems need to be doing is listening to those who are saying that they have to talk about values. It doesn't mean being as mean-spirited and hateful as some on the right, but it does mean realizing that Americans listen more to values than they do to policy. We are not Europe, which is very secular. Americans do care about faith and values and Dems need to start framing things that way. Get out of the ivory tower folks and start listening and educating the electorate instead of harraguing them.
Posted by Dennis at November 5, 2004 01:05 PMAs a blogger, what are your thoughts on Podcasting?Mark
Posted by: Mark - The Podcasting Guy at December 1, 2004 01:35 PMI know why I keep coming back. Thanks!
Posted by: HyperListBuilder at November 27, 2004 09:18 AMInteresting... that's good info to know.
Posted by: Baxter at November 24, 2004 01:30 PMInteresting stuff coming out of FL right now.
Posted by: M. Douglas Wray at November 7, 2004 10:32 PMMike - you've convinced me to leave this blog.
Thanks for all you've done Dennis.
Posted by: dorsano at November 7, 2004 09:51 AMNY Post had a small article from Arnold Ahlert. I dont normally read the post but this was too true not to pass it along.
Freedom Vs License
Liberals wondering why they lost Ruesday might want to consider the difference between "freedom and license."
Freedom is about disagreeing with the policies of George W. Bush. License is referring to a wartime president as a "Nazi."
Freedom is having thoughtful doubts about how we are conducting the War on Terror. License is automatically referring to every military effort as "another Vietnam," or an "incompetent failure" - even as our troops are in harms way.
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This was the first couple of paragraphs. The rest I dont know if I agree or disagree. Certainly not strongly enough to retype them.
I think the author makes an excellent point. Maybe not quite strongly enough. I may even have added something like...
It is Freedom to divulge attrocities carried out by our own troops in the hopes of promoting an environment where it doesnt happen again and we learn from it. License is showing 24/7 the most inflammatory pictures you can find about a prison abuse scandal, in hopes of embarassing an administration/military that is conducting a war.
Posted by: mike at November 7, 2004 08:52 AMI voted for Kerry but since the election I've come around to see that Bush's way of thinking is right. And I was wrong.
Now, I totally agree with the president and Republican Party. I think abortion should be outlawed and that all women who have had abortions should be jailed as murderers. Why should I care about abortion? I'm never going to have one and certainly don't want my tax dollars going to private clinics. What's in it for me to have abortion legal? Nothing.
Forget putting money into schools. I don't have any kids in school. I don't want my tax dollars wasted there.
Fire all the gay teachers. There are enough straight ones to go around and plenty of straight people with graduate degrees waiting in line for that $30,000 a year position.
We need to get back to the days of the "blue" laws. Businesses should not be open on Sundays. Sports teams should not be playing. It's the Lord's day and a day of rest. No one should be working on Sunday. They should be at worship.
As long as I have my tax break, everyone else can fend for themselves. That's the American way. That's what Jesus would do.
Furthermore, I hope they allow guest executioners for all those murderin' women who've had abortions. I'll be the first in line to do God's work.
There's no statute of limitations on murder. Every woman who has ever had an abortion should be brought up on murder charges. Ever. Praise the Lord.
Posted by: Randy at November 7, 2004 04:33 AM"...because manic leftists now control the party."
Who do you think controls the Republican party? Moderates?
Posted by: political news at November 6, 2004 06:56 PMMr. Dean,
I remember you calling all Southerners tobacco chewing rednecks that ride around in pickup trucks with rebel flags in the rear windows.
And he also said that he and the Democratic Party needed to talk to them. And I don't think he said "all" Southerners.
Mr. Dean,
I remember you calling all Southerners tobacco chewing rednecks that ride around in pickup trucks with rebel flags in the rear windows.
I agree with Dennis.
Democrats AND Republicans have spewed vitriol across the air waves. Calling names doesn’t win elections or place one on a higher ground than the opposition. Democrats need to look at what they did wrong (in Government parlance, “Lessons Learned”) and correct them.
Bush attacked Kerry as a flip-flopper. What did Kerry do? He made some incoherent statements weeks after the attack.
Kerry attacked Bush about the Iraq war in a very long-winded method (I support the war but I oppose the policy). Did he present his policy that could give Americans any confidence that his approach was better? No. He suggested we 'internationalize' the war yet no foreign leader stated they would join the war if Kerry won.
During the campaign, Kerry spoke very little of his legislative history in the Senate. How can the American voter know what kind of President he would be?
The Democrats need to admit that Kerry ran as the ABB candidate and provided no justification beyond that.
Both Kerry and bush distorted facts about the economy and the war and many Americans saw through this. It’s much easier to select the known problem than the unknown solution.
Posted by: EG at November 5, 2004 07:05 PMoh, good grief!!!!!
Posted by: Vickie at November 5, 2004 04:58 PMI am astounded. I really took you for a reasoned commentator, having read your posts on Republicans for Kerry Yahoo group and here. But now I am just shocked. You completely looked over what I posted concerning what Adam Yoshida said and go on to agree with Molotov that "Dems are sore losers." Did you read Yoshida's post and the vitriol that spewed from it? Do you have any idea what the accumulation of years of being called traitors, anti-American, intellectual woosies and do to anyone?
If anything we are "sore losers" because having lost to a President and a Party that is so obviously leading us down a shameful path is just too much to take?
"Sore losers"? It's sounds like you once again sound like the "sanctimonious winners" that many Democrats like to call you.
Oh, you've just made me head explode.
Posted by: TAE at November 5, 2004 03:09 PMYeah, I agree there's been a lot of hot rhetoric from disappointed Dems, but much of it is in response to the seemingly clueless reasons behind the vote.
And, in reading the link about what "Moderate Republicans" believe (below), how can any Moderate Republican still support this president and his administration? Bush is a Republican in name only and his extremist positions will only work to further divide America.
The issue is a president who has failed to lead America with honesty, truthfulness, and compassion for those who are “different” from himself and his evangelical followers. The Republican party under Bush, formerly the party of fiscal sanity has now become a party of fiscal insanity, little real job growth (outside of the the Walmartization of America), and a party that bends to social conservatives to keep itself in power.
As a member of the reality-based community, I’m glad I live on the East Coast. It is morning in America, again. A morning that brings with it the dawning of a new age; one of anti-intellectualism, of anti-reason, of anti-compassion. People voted not based on the realities of the day---ill-conceived war, incompetence, recklessness, stupidity, deceit---but rather for candidates that appealed to their baser instincts---greed, fear, and homophobia.
I find it utterly remarkable that a substantial amount of voters for Bush did so based on “moral values” (code word for anti-gay marriage) rather than face the facts of this administration’s conduct (Iraq, deficit spending that will bankrupt the economy and destroy our children’s futures, wage stagnation, job losses, tax giveaways to cronies, etc.).
Democrats need to talk about values and not in the religious sense that seems to fool most people (i.e., "I'm a Christian, so trust me"). They have to talk about things in black and white terms---right versus wrong. They need to be very clear about this so that people will wake up and see beyond the rhetoric and spin of the Karl Rove machine. For every Bush action there is a consequence.
Far too many people here in the USA allow themselves to disassociate from the reality we live in and the consequences of our government's actions. I'm not optimistic about 4 more years of the same. Four years from now we will be even more divided and worse off than today.
Under Bush and his policies, the USA will continue to be a marginalized country of big consequence and little respect in the rest of the world.